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eller ([personal profile] eller) wrote2022-05-28 04:32 pm
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Zither Shopping Frustrations

So. I'm looking for a zither. A proper zither, that is. The search is proving quite frustrating.

The thing is: most zithers on the market are concert zithers. The things with an actual fret-board. Unfortunately, while there is - obviously - nothing intrinsically wrong with that kind of instrument, I can't play it. ;___; I mean, at some point I could learn, but, uh, what I really want is a traditional chord zither based on the Scheitholt concept. I can play chord zither, it's idiot-safe. (It's designed to be idiot-safe, seeing how it's a folk instrument for people without any kind of musical education! You can learn it in half an hour, and playing styles are super flexible. It's awesome!)

Cultural comment: While Wikipedia lists 'chord zither' and 'Scheitholt' as different instruments (with one as the ancestor of the other), in Platt-speaking areas, a chord zither is also still commonly referred to as Scheitholt.

Language comment: Yes, my culture may be the only one that ever produced a musical instrument literally called log of firewood. I'm not sure whether that refers to the shape, the way of making one (that is: draw some log out ouf your pile of firewood, put some strings on it, paint a nice picture - done!), or the general sound quality (BURN IT! JUST BURN IT!)... But... Anyway... Draw your own conclusions about whether you're likely to see or hear this thing in a 'polite', high-class concert setting. LOL

Unfortunately, because the chord zither is not considered a proper musical instrument (where I'm from, it's only played by women, and only in a home/family setting, never in public!), it's kind of difficult to find one. I mean, getting an old chord zither on eBay is easy - but the really old instruments are purely decorative. (The real folk zithers are usually made from cheap wood that warps and/or cracks after some time, so they'll sound horrible. Firewood, literally! People just keep them for the traditional zither art!) And while there are newer models, they all lack the traditional paintings (how horrible!!! I'd never buy one that's not painted!) or they have a modern tuning that's unsuitable for playing traditional music.

I'll keep searching!

yhlee: Alto clef and whole note (middle C). (alto clef)

[personal profile] yhlee 2022-05-28 03:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah man, good luck with your search!

Curious - is this something you could find instructions to make yourself? For example, when I was in middle school the library had a book of instructions on how to make various (I think Appalachian) folk instruments like cigar box guitars/violins and bones (the percussion instrument made from cow? rib bones). Or is this the sort of instrument-making whose methods are never written down?
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[personal profile] yhlee 2022-05-28 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Sounds like a plan! I wish you much luck on eBay. :D

I really want to hear this instrument but from your description of the cultural considerations, it sounds like I'd have to get invited into someone's home in Germany for a performance. :p
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[personal profile] yhlee 2022-05-28 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, THANK YOU for that link and for introducing me to an instrument I had no awareness of before!! His tuning makes a lot of sense for diatonic Western music (I, ii, IV, V, and vi chords off the C tonic) but may I ask, if you're willing, what the traditional/original tuning is? I'm realizing I know nothing about German folk music other than that one time Joe's dad let me play with the family's ancestral accordion. (The keyboard was easy, the chord buttons would have taken some practice, and working the bellows was also tricky and would have required some experimentation.)
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[personal profile] yhlee 2022-05-28 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Alas, my eyes could not make out the video even zoomed in but the link was terrific, thank you!

I really think this is such a well-designed instrument, from the standpoint of giving you NOTES and CHORDS in a really accessible way. And honestly, coming from the world of the viola, the thought that you would WRITE THE TUNING ON THE INSTRUMENT ITSELF for easy reference is just staggering. It's so humane! So practical! No viola or violin maker would ever consider it ZOMG!
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[personal profile] yhlee 2022-05-28 08:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep! I'm used to the "refined sound" variant" - the Korean gayageum is similar-ish to the Japanese koto or the Chinese guqin or guzheng (and honestly I suspect we stole from the Chinese, but I can't swear to it).
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[personal profile] yhlee 2022-05-28 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
That is wicked cool and very similar to "geometrical" notation for music that I once saw as an avant-garde technique in a book introducing composition - clearly folk musicians came up with it first! :D :D
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[personal profile] yhlee 2022-05-28 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Now I want one of these instruments, but I judge my odds of finding a working one on American eBay are...pretty dismal LOLOL. It sounds so pretty though! Also I really liked it when he showed his damping technique on the previously-played chords.
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[personal profile] franklanguage 2022-05-29 12:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup, the first place I looked was eBay, and they currently have a really mixed bag.
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[personal profile] elf 2022-05-28 07:26 pm (UTC)(link)
*checks link* Wait, so a (chord) zither is an autoharp? (I knew "autoharp" could not be the traditional name of the instrument but had no idea what it was.)

...I have one of those.

Somewhere. Probably. If it wasn't in the storage locker that was basically destroyed by rain damage.

Never learned to play it.
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[personal profile] castiron 2022-05-28 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I also thought "huh! the autoharp is a zither cousin!" when I watched that video. When I was a kid, the autoharp was used a lot in church (not music for the service itself, but for things like songs in Sunday school and vacation bible school), and I think it was also used in public school music programs. The kids rarely got to touch them, but when I did, it was so cool to push one of the buttons and be able to make a chord.
yhlee: Alto clef and whole note (middle C). (alto clef)

[personal profile] yhlee 2022-05-28 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
They were popular in American-type schools because they were designed to be easy to play - you want a D major chord, you push the D major button and strum! :D This YouTube video seems pretty nice as an intro.